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grisador Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2015
İts a bit weird looking; but seem to be a great alternate history by given the conditions of our universe's ukraine (almost get annexes by Russia)
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SoaringAven Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Still no description, you know :P
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
Yeah, I'm working on it.
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SoaringAven Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
riiigh :XD:
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
Also, what happened to Spain?
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
The Catalan Countries, the Basque Country and Galicia gained independence.
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
I may ask too many questions, but I can't help my curiosity; what's going on in the USA in this timeline?
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
The US moved its focus away from Europe and the Middle East to the Pacific region. The US forms the POTA (Pacific Ocean Treaty Alliance) together with Japan, Okhotsk (Russian Far East), South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Argentina, Peru, Colombia, Mexico and Canada (I might've forgot some). Therefore, the US is still a superpower, but just doesn't focus much on Europe and the Middle East anymore. It does, however, maintain the NATO with Europe, but it's become a much more lose organization.

As for what happens inside the US, I can't really say much as I'm not an expert in American politics, but I think the US is a little les free than it is now, and there is some instability here and there, particularly in the Southwest, where some states have considered breaking the union.
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
And I am I right in saying that the European Federal Union is part of both the Centrosphere and the American Sphere of Influence?
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
The EFU as a whole is not included in the Centrosphere, nor in the American Sphere. Inside the EFU, only Germany, Austria and Slovenia are part of the Centrosphere, while only France and the Netherlands can be included in the American Sphere. The American Sphere mainly includes the POTA, some other American and Asian countries, and the UK, while the North, the Netherlands and France can be included.
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Oh and btw, you just partitioned Romania on one of its two national days.
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
What bugs me is how Romania is a very close ally to both Ukraine and Visegrad, but still loses territory.
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
I've changed it a little now, so that the region with the Hungarians is now an autonomous region of the Federal Republic of Romania, so Romania is more whole now.
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
Yeah, I thought about that when I made this... Hungary overtook those parts in 2018, and Romania first became an ally again many years later, but I see it's problematic. 
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
By "overtook" you mean war, right? If that's the case, then Romania would probably win, assuming no one else is involved. I mean, no disrespect, but Romania is twice the size of Hungary. And even if it wouldn't be a war, there's no way Hungary can take those areas. The Hungarian population in those areas pales in comparison to the Romanian one.
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
No, it wasn't a war. The Hungarians in the region started demanding independence when Hungary became nationalistic, and in the end, it gained independence and joined Hungary. I found a map on Wikipedia saying that +30% are Hungarians in the region: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
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coldblood11 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
Ah. Y'know, the truth of the matter is, the Hungarians there cry for reforms and such already (counties of Harghita and Covasna). Alas, they're not so radical. They have parties of their own in the Parliament, and propose a Federal Republic to solve things. Told you this because I thought you'd be interested.
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
A federal republic, you say? That'd probably be the best solution to it. 
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Maybe but Romania is, and I quote from the Romanian Constitution:

 ARTICLE 1
(1) Romania is a sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible National State.

ARTICLE 2

(2) No group or person may exercise sovereignty in one's own name.


ARTICLE 3
(1) The territory of Romania is inalienable.


(4) No foreign populations may be displaced or colonized on the territory of the Romanian State.


But what you made its just fiction, theres no need to really put reality into this, or even try to complain, although I see what you did there in the middle of Romania :wink: rvmp 

Sorry if some of my fellow brethren take the map too serioursly. 



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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
Oh, I don't mind, I just see it as constructive criticism and that's always welcomed. I actually think making Hungarian Transylvania an autonomous region of Romania is a better idea than Hungary annexing it, because it seems a little odd that they'd be allied to Hungary afterwards.
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ugiel Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Very interesting and intriguing vision. But the Greater Poland is always welcome, of course :D I'm curious why after the collapse of Russia, Belarus didn't take the Smolensk. Nordic Fed was able to take Petersburg, Ukraine - to reach Caspian Sea, then why Belarus didn't take city which is so important for their history and nation? And how did Turkey lose their eastern lands?
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Thanks :)

I didn't actually know Smolensk were that important for Belarus, but I've added some parts of Russia to Belarus now.

How Turkey lost its eastern lands? Well, at first Turkish Kurdistan was given self-rule, and so where the other Kurdish regions in their respective countries. Then, later on Kurdistan was allowed to unite as one nation and was given independence after a initiative from Turkey. It was done to increase stability in the region, and it allowed Turkey and Kurdistan to become allies later on. However, Turkey of course made sure that Islamic groups didn't get to power in Kurdistan.
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ugiel Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Nice, now this is much more clearly :) If it's not a problem, I'd also like to know how Poland regained eastern lands and how Lithuania nad Latvia got united. Some info about situation in Balkan states is also welcome ;)
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
I'll try to answer your questions, but it'll be quite long.

Poland: 
When the 2. Russian Civil War broke out in 2017, Belarus and Ukraine inevitably also got involved. In fact, civil war also broke out in Ukraine, which was temporarily split into a pro-European northwest and a pro-Russian southeast. As Russia broke apart, the Federal Republic of Muscovy was formed with a somewhat nationalistic government, and the country sent troops into Ukraine and Belarus, trying to take control of Russian-populated areas. This caused a Polish-led coalition to intervene, and when the war ended, Poland was allowed to regain former territory.

Lithuania/Latvia: 
This was triggered mainly by the 2. Russian Civil War. Naturally, Latvia and Lithuania feared for their national security when the war broke out, and thus decided to merge as one country, while closely allying itself with Poland. The war is also one of the reasons that Estonia joined the Nordic Federation.

Balkans: 
The 2. Russian Civil War generally disturbed European stability. Serbia declared its support to the Russian government and this was seen as a provocation by the neighbouring countries. When Serbia became increasingly nationalistic, it wanted to annex Kosovo and Srpska, and war almost broke out with Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania. In the end, Bosnia-Herzegovina, which had almost broken down, was split between Serbia and Croatia, while Kosovo joined Albania. After the conflict, Vojvodina also gained independence.

The financial crisis had allowed Golden Dawn to get to power in Greece, and the government started discriminating against Turks, Albanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians and other people's. Eventually, this led to a war with those countries, which ended with the Turkish annexation of some islands, and the Macedonian-Bulgarian unification and annexation of Northern Greece.
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ugiel Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Very detailed, that's impressive :clap: There's nothing unlogical in this vision, you're able to explain everything - I appreciate that. Great work! :)
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Artaxes2 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist
It looks like a Polish imperialism renewed from the Dark Past.
But in such shape the Ukraine does not work. :(
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Feh-ji-no Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Student
I really like this idea. It seems pretty cool. I'm fairly interested in how so many changes happened in such a short time, but it's really cool. 
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Thanks :) Actually, I didn't quite know where I should set this map. Perhaps I should move it some years forward? 
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Feh-ji-no Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Student
Yeah perhaps. I mean, you just need to explain how Russia falls apart. Also, you could rename it to the Eurasian Union (EAU), but Russia is already making that:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian…
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
I've explained some of it in the description now, and if you look at my comments above, you might get answers to other questions as well.
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Feh-ji-no Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014  Student
Thank you. This is a pretty cool concept. 
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
Thanks :)
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Why is the core of Romania in the Visegrad Union :(
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Hungary became kinda nationalistic at one point and then the Hungarians in the region demanded independence. So, basically it was a Kosovo-like situation, but without war.
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Great map, but that part take from Romania is the only problem, and especially today on 24 of January Romanians celebrate the union of  the Principalities of Romania(Wallachia) and Moldavia. So its a time of union on this day. 
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Wow, i just partitioned a country on its national day... Lol, sorry.
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
No problem,  weird that this  partitioning map took place right during this day,  but you couldn't have know about it. 
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I know it is your work but in real life Romania, Romanians and EU will not allow it, the hungarians are on Romanian land and Romania is a sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible National State.
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Well, the EU wasn't really around when this happened, but I see your point. 
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